i believe there's still an opportunity here for the president and the speaker, as sandy said, so sit down in a ream quiet will i, hopefully, without a lot of -- but it sounds like the conservative republicans in the house are back to the situation where they won't tolerate any tax increase at all. i mean, isn't that what they opposed last night? >> no, i don't think so. i think last night was a statement that they -- that you have -- within the republican conference in the house, they're not going to raise taxes unless they get the spending cuts to go along with it. i think if there had been a package that was signed on to that they knew was legitimate, was real, was going to go to the senate and be passed, it had been a comprehensive package in the $2 trillion range which is what the president and the speaker had been talking about, i think that type of package could have been done. >> let me just interject because we know each other well. i don't think that was the meaning of yesterday. essentially, a lot of your former colleagues, the people who i think have rather different view